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This was a fantastic listen. I've enjoyed the material to date but this has been my favourite so far.

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Thanks Chris and Paul for the discussion on the elites. I appreciate that elites are typically associated with the 'super-rich' in the private sector but you can also find elites in the public service. I think the common features of 'elites' is a lack of transparency and accountability which enables them to exert their influence against the common good.

In the context of the US, there's a good documentary by PBS frontline "America's great divide" https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/americas-great-divide-from-obama-to-trump/.

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In minute 21 you cite The Myth of Meritocracy by Michael Sandel. Did you mean The Tyranny of Merit by Michael Sandel? Not James Bloodworth’s book.

I always watch for you on “The Stand with Eamon Dunphy” and I’m delighted to find you here too.

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